tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10161060.post113854317248736026..comments2023-11-05T04:31:48.615-05:00Comments on Elusive Lucidity: Call Me Up in DreamlandZChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10211734319629732065noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10161060.post-1138750669103658772006-01-31T18:37:00.000-05:002006-01-31T18:37:00.000-05:00That's what I meant. All the great discoveries on ...That's what I meant. All the great discoveries on cinema you post here, you owe them to your active wake mind at work, not to a passive state of reverie. I meant to credit your thinking first (not that your subconscious isn't "you", but "it" is not worried about cinema)<BR/><BR/>For the record I perfectly understood what you meant. It's me who has been yet again overzealous, and unintentionaly confusing.HarryTuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721542203087536185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10161060.post-1138725586615659572006-01-31T11:39:00.000-05:002006-01-31T11:39:00.000-05:00No worries Harry--I just felt as though there were...No worries Harry--I just felt as though there were a misunderstanding, and you were unfairly accusing me (if that's not too harsh a word) of extrapolating great knowledge about the cinema from these dream symbols. I mean, <I>of course</I> these symbols are reflections of my own psyche, but what's important for the purposes of this blog entry is that the tools used for this nocturnal moment of 'self-psychoanalysis,' as you put it, are cinema-based!<BR/><BR/>It is true that--<I>in my dream!</I>--I felt as though I had an epiphany about John Ford's work. But this isn't something that I projected onto my dream afterward, it was a sensation of intellectual "discovery" felt while dreaming. I don't expect my subconscious to uncover secrets of the cinema for my waking mind--but if, as you say, the dream acts as a springboard for new ideas (which is what I was trying to suggest when I wrote in my post that I'd 'have to think about it'), then I'm all for that.<BR/><BR/>Likewise, I don't know where my dreaming of the Fordian 'throwing' gesture came from; but the congruence with Hasumi's article is to me pretty noteworthy. Maybe just a coincidence; certainly nothing mystical; but worth at least acknowledging.ZChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10211734319629732065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10161060.post-1138722667527974492006-01-31T10:51:00.000-05:002006-01-31T10:51:00.000-05:00All apologies... I really didn't me to lecture. At...All apologies... <BR/>I really didn't me to lecture. <BR/>At worst I make a fool of myself for stating the obvious and being redundant (which might not be lost for all readers though). <BR/>But there was no intention to offend you!<BR/><BR/>"you know dream language isn't rational right?" was a rhetorical assumption saying "I know you know".<BR/><BR/>Again, your dream was genuinely interesting! Had I known I was not allowed to comment on its content, I would have not shared my passion for dreamwork.<BR/>(Ah! the netiquette barrier...)<BR/><BR/>btw, you shouldn't feel "self-indulgent" about posting something about yourself on your own blog... or maybe it was a rhetorical humility, and I took it that way. <BR/><BR/><BR/>CheersHarryTuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721542203087536185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10161060.post-1138716338522479612006-01-31T09:05:00.000-05:002006-01-31T09:05:00.000-05:00Huh? OK. Harry, I didn't try to rationalize my d...Huh? OK. Harry, I didn't try to rationalize my dream, I'm well aware that a dream tells me about myself and not the cinema (I mean, honestly, jesus christ...!), and I don't know what prompted your lecture here. <BR/><BR/>I was just relating a dream that, having film content, I thought would be somewhat interesting and relevant for this blog .... and in truth I don't think you understood this fact and have quite inaccurately projected onto my entry some intentions that are simply not there ...ZChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10211734319629732065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10161060.post-1138713494058500882006-01-31T08:18:00.000-05:002006-01-31T08:18:00.000-05:00I don't mean to kill the fun, your film-related dr...I don't mean to kill the fun, your film-related dream is great indeed (and remarkably detailed), but you know dream language isn't rational right?<BR/><BR/>You can't make sense of a dream by relating to its significance in your wake intellect and knowledge, because this is a troyan horse in your mind. Each familiar element used stands for something else that has no logical (but symbolical) meaning.<BR/><BR/>It's like forgetting everything you know and trying to understand what is it your unconscious was trying to tell you, about yourself (not about cinema).<BR/><BR/>The aspect ratio incongruencies, the musical and Ford reference, the audience behavior act as perverted symbols, and not as straightforward significance. The cinema milieu is only a random context used by your mind.<BR/><BR/>A dream is self-psychoanalysis, a visual free-association.<BR/><BR/>Like the surrealists, you could use dreams as a catalyst to come up with new ideas, although I don't think your subconscious would tell you on purpose something pertinent about film criticism...<BR/><BR/>Dreamwork is fascinating. Mulholland Dr. makes a good job at exploring its irrationality and its bottomless abyss.HarryTuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721542203087536185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10161060.post-1138653822576816462006-01-30T15:43:00.000-05:002006-01-30T15:43:00.000-05:00Well I'm glad some of y'all liked this! Adrian, I...Well I'm glad some of y'all liked this! Adrian, I had remembered Hasumi's article when I first started my blog entry and wanted to mention it, but by the time I got to the Ford part, I forgot. Thanks for bringing it up again.<BR/><BR/>Eric, normally I can't remember <I>anything</I> I dream, but yesterday morning was a big exception. (Although, since the only ones I wrote down were these two film ones, I've since forgotten almost everything else I dreamed that night.)ZChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10211734319629732065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10161060.post-1138603902849472402006-01-30T01:51:00.000-05:002006-01-30T01:51:00.000-05:00Zach, I am proud to see that ROUGE magazine has of...Zach, I am proud to see that ROUGE magazine has officially entered your unconscious! Your Fordian dream obviously draws from Shigehiko Hasumi's analysis: "Only those characters capable of throwing an object at decisive moments are truly Fordian. They are defined neither by their character nor their profession, but by their performance of the act of throwing." <BR/><BR/>I have been recording my film-related dreams for about 15 years (some extremely elaborate) and hope to find something to do with them one day!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10161060.post-1138585283957467592006-01-29T20:41:00.000-05:002006-01-29T20:41:00.000-05:00I wish I could even remember my dreams long enough...I wish I could even remember my dreams long enough to put a pen to paper, but they disappear from mem memory faster than cotton candy. I know I had a cracker this morning, but couldn't remember a thing about it while brushing my teeth.Eric Hendersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01730423919177553813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10161060.post-1138564617555238902006-01-29T14:56:00.000-05:002006-01-29T14:56:00.000-05:00"Ah, to write about films that don't exist ..."......"Ah, to write about films that don't exist ..."<BR/><BR/>... film criticism desperately needs another Borges, so you might consider sharing further cinema-related dreams with us in the future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10161060.post-1138547344712198852006-01-29T10:09:00.000-05:002006-01-29T10:09:00.000-05:00Not self-indulgent at all; I love it.More, please,...Not self-indulgent <I>at all</I>; I love it.<BR/>More, please, whenever you feel like it.girishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05079328617099035797noreply@blogger.com